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Cornes and King revisit their over/under win predictions for 2025
SEN • August 29th, 2025 2:00 pm
Before the start of the 2025 AFL season, Kane Cornes and David King have forecast the 2025 win totals for nine of the 18 AFL clubs.
On SEN Fireball, Cornes and King went through all 18 AFL teams' over/under win totals for the upcoming season, including one lock of confidence.
Their predictions were based on the over/under lines set by Sportsbet prior to the start of the season.
Following the end of the season, King and Cornes reviewed their pre-season predictions, assessing how they went in adjudicating the 2025 season.
ADELAIDE (11.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 11.5
“I love their forward line, their midfield is solid, I think they easily go over and will win 13 home and away games.”
King: OVER 11.5
“I think they underperformed last year. I still think they’re building talent before they’ll be a premiership threat.”
RESULT: OVER
18 wins, 1st place
King: “I said that they underperformed last year, and they would bounce, you said you loved their forward line.”
Cornes: “I loved their forward line, their midfield is solid, I think they easily go over, and will win 13 home and away games – they won 18!”
BRISBANE (14.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 14.5
“Their record at the Gabba, the amount of talent they’ve got coming back from ACLs, I think they’ll go over, but I’m not confident.”
King: UNDER 14.5
“Joe Daniher is a massive loss and It’s really hard after a premiership, you become the hunted.”
RESULT: OVER
16 wins, 3rd place
King: “I wasn’t sure on the 14.5, this is one of the ones I got wrong. (My prediction said) Joe Daniher (is a) massive loss, and (it's) hard to win a premiership when you become the hunted. Well done to them.”
CARLTON (13.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 13.5
“I just can’t trust the medical department.”
King: UNDER 13.5
“This is a tough one. I think the Nic Newman absence is significant. I’m going under but could quite easily see them jump and run.”
RESULT: UNDER
Nine wins, 11th place
Cornes: “13.5 seems ridiculous now.”
King: “Nic Newman has been an absence.”
Cornes: “You were a bit on the fence there.”
King: “I went under you peanut!”
COLLINGWOOD (13.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 13.5
“I think they miss the eight. I like their best 22, but if the older, injury-prone players get injured I think their depth will be exposed like few others.”
King: UNDER 13.5
“They’ll be a lot better than last year, but they are aging. I think 13 wins is about that mark.”
RESULT: OVER
16 wins, 4th place
King: “We got that one wrong, too good for us there.”
ESSENDON (9.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 9.5
“I think it’s a bottom four-ish year for Essendon. I’m not that confident on them.”
King: OVER 9.5
“9.5 is low. I’ll go over because I just think they have to get to 10 wins in Brad Scott’s third year.”
RESULT: UNDER
Six wins, 15th place
King: “Third season with Brad Scott, I thought this would be the bounce year.”
Cornes: “What would you do that for?”
King: “I don’t know why I did it! I don’t even like them!”
Cornes: “The Vol-Kane-O just nailed it, because they were bottom four!”
King: “You said everyone was bottom four.”
FREMANTLE (12.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 12.5
“I’m not locking them in but definitely over. They’re a good chance of playing off in a prelim final this year.”
King: OVER 12.5 (LOCK)
“Lock this one in. Freo are winning 13 games plus, absolutely no doubt about that.”
RESULT: OVER
16 wins, 6th place
King: “Read what I put for mine!”
Cornes: “The way you talk about them, you’d think they won eight!”
King: “It’s a lock! Absolutely no doubt. I’ve been on board – I said they’d win the flag!”
GEELONG (13.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 13.5
“I refuse to bet against this coach Chris Scott. I think they play finals again and they’ll be around the mark.”
King: UNDER 13.5
“If Max Holmes can completely take over from Patrick Dangerfield, they blow past that, but I still have my reservations. I would expect they’ll be winning 12 or 13 games, I can’t sign off on 14+.”
RESULT: OVER
17 wins, 2nd place
Cornes: “You’re just on the fence.”
GOLD COAST (11.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 11.5 (LOCK)
“This is the easiest of the lot, Gold Coast to win more than 11.5 games. They’re absolutely stacked. I want less talk and more action from the Suns.”
King: OVER 11.5
“They should be winning more than 11.5. They’ve just got to find a way to get serious. It’s not a talent discussion; it’s a performance discussion.”
RESULT: OVER
15 wins, 7th place
Cornes: “I locked that in.”
King: “Nice work. I’d just been to dinner with them admittedly.”
GWS GIANTS (14.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 14.5
“I think they equal the 15 they won last year. I’m not super confident, but they’re good enough to do that. There’ll be a motivation factor for this side not like many other teams. Last year would burn.”
King: OVER 14.5
“I’m a huge fan. They’re there to win it. I think they’ll be winning 15+. I’ve got them definitely prelim final weekend if not further.”
RESULT: OVER
16 wins, 5th place
King: “They’re in discussions.”
HAWTHORN (14.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 14.5
“I just don’t see a weakness, I think they finish top four.”
King: OVER 14.5
“It’s hard not to be impressed and excited about what they’ve done so quickly… all things say they’re in for a big year.”
RESULT: OVER
15 wins, 8th place
Cornes: “We both had over, which was right again.”
MELBOURNE (11.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 11.5
“Feels more of a reset, kind of rebuild, talk a lot about our younger players type of year.”
King: UNDER 14.5
“Their top six players are as good as anyone’s; I just think you can back them in.”
RESULT: UNDER
Seven wins, 14th place
Cornes: “We both got Melbourne right.”
King: “I think we knew about love at that stage.”
PORT ADELAIDE (13.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 13.5
“They’re far too reliant on (Aliir) Aliir, and the key position backs just aren’t at the quality of the best sides in it”
King: UNDER 13.5
“The loss of Dan Houston is going to be tremendous, it’s going to have a significant impact on all of your ball movement, all of your aggression.”
“The loss of Dan Houston is going to be tremendous, it’s going to have a significant impact on all of your ball movement, all of your aggression.”
RESULT: UNDER
Nine wins, 13th place
Cornes: “The minute they sacked their coach and kept him in the job, we probably should have gone right under.”
King: “You weren’t as strong with me at the time!”
Cornes: “Have you seen my walk and talk from February! With my shirt off!
King: “The previous discussion, when they said we’re going to re-sign him in August. You weren’t with me on that one! Stupid!”
NORTH MELBOURNE (5.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 5.5 (LOCK)
“If they’re not winning 6 games this year I will be absolutely staggered, this is an absolute lock it in.”
King: OVER 5.5
“If they win 5 games or less, Alastair Clarkson should walk in and say, ‘I haven’t been able to get it to happen, I haven’t done what I thought I’d be able to do with this group’ and vacate.”
RESULT: UNDER
Five wins, 16th place
Cornes: “I got it wrong, but I’m not sure it’s entirely my fault.”
King: “I got it wrong as well. You went with a lock!”
Cornes: “If you can’t win six games in year 10 of a rebuild with the experienced players that you brought in, something is wrong. Your Kangaroos let us down again!”
RICHMOND (2.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 2.5
“GWS in their second year with a group of 18-year-olds won 2 games, surely this group with (Tom) Lynch, (Nick) Vlastuin, (Dion) Prestia, (Jacob) Hopper, (Tim) Taranto and (Toby) Nankervis win enough games.”
King: UNDER 2.5
“They’re not going to pinch 4 wins, they might pinch 1 or 2.”
RESULT: OVER
Five wins, 17th place
King: “I thought they were only going to win a couple of games for the year.”
ST KILDA (9.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 9.5
“I’m going under, I think they finish bottom four.”
King: UNDER 9.5
“They’re still in the development phase for me. This group is probably an 8- or 9-win team.”
RESULT: UNDER
Nine wins, 12th place
Cornes: “We both got the Saints right… just.”
SYDNEY (14.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 14.5
“Dean Cox is going to give them a nice little boost, just in terms of an injection of enthusiasm and energy.”
King: UNDER 14.5
“They’re coming off extreme disappointment, we’ve seen teams plummet out of the finals series the following year with results like that.”
RESULT: UNDER
12 wins, 10th place
Cornes: “I went over on Sydney, that was wrong. You went under; you were right. Well done.”
WEST COAST (5.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: OVER 5.5
“Just on the back of the new coach bounce, that gives them another win and some experience coming in.”
King: OVER 5.5
“You’d think they get to 6 wins, they’ve got that home ground advantage, you’d think the kid (Harley Reid) would go crazy in a couple of games again.”
RESULT: UNDER
One win, 18th place
Cornes: “Both wrong.”
WESTERN BULLDOGS (12.5)
Pre-season predictions:
Cornes: UNDER 12.5
“I’m going under, I think they will miss the eight.”
King: OVER 12.5
“Sam Darcy is the man, he could be the biggest thing in footy in 2025.”
RESULT: OVER
14 wins, 9th place
King: “I think they’ll miss the eight you said!”
Cornes: “That’s right, isn’t it?”
King: “Wow, that’s a good guess. Is this why we’re backing over this? What about mine, Sam Darcy is the man!”
Cornes: “I’ll give you that. You went over their 12.5 so you win that one.”
Total results
Kane Cornes: 12 correct, six incorrect
David King: 10 correct, eight incorrect
